Locally to PdL

[sadie]

Amaral had the advantage that he and his men interrogated the Smiths so according to him the carrier went down the steps towards the beach.

I am happy with that John, either he went east or South

But for Faith, who seems to have a mental blockage, to maintain that he was going west is ludicrous.  He came towards Aoife from the west or at least the North west cos she had looked left (west) to see him

THe evidence is against you Faith ... and it is solid evidence.

Give up and acknowledge that you were mistaken .... or better still do the cultured thing and give up, then admit it and apologise for being wrong.


Cos you are wrong and making a fool of yourself pushing it. tbh

[stephen25000]

I am happy with that John, either he went east or South

But for Faith, who seems to have a mental blockage, to maintain that he was going west is ludicrous.  He came towards Aoife from the west or at least the North west cos she had looked left (west) to see him

THe evidence is against you Faith ... and it is solid evidence.

Give up and acknowledge that you were mistaken .... or better still do the cultured thing and give up, then admit it and apologise for being wrong.


Cos you are wrong and making a fool of yourself pushing it. tbh

Solid evidence ? 8-)(--)

[sadie]

Solid evidence ? 8-)(--)

Yep, Aoifes.

Or are you going to discount that as you discounted Jane Tanners and Mrs Stephen Carpenters?

Time to wake up Stephen and smell the roses.

[stephen25000]

Yep, Aoifes.

Or are you going to discount that as you discounted Jane Tanners and Mrs Stephen Carpenters?

Time to wake up Stephen and smell the roses.

and what happens if nothing is found, as it has for over 6 years ? >@@(*&)

[AnneGuedes]

Amaral had the advantage that he and his men interrogated the Smiths so according to him the carrier went down the steps towards the beach.

I don't think he would have risked the steps carrying a child with apparent discomfort. I think he went towards the church, lots of opportunities to hide.

[sadie]

I don't think he would have risked the steps carrying a child with apparent discomfort. I think he went towards the church, lots of opportunities to hide.

yep, he went east or maybe south towards the beach.


Aoifes statement shows that he definitely did not go west ... as Faith tries to make us believe.


Going East leads back towards the centre of PdL where any people being around, would likely be.  No-one reported seeing him.  Also to the east there is the church, the Fontezala Restaurant and much closer at hand Malinkas apartment and the possibility of a car pick up on, or in a hidden area close to that main road, Rua 25 de Abril.


If he went South he would have to negotiate the steps, which whilst being a bit uneven were divided up into flights.  The bottom flight being 7 steps and the one above being just a couple of steps it appears and the top flight not too many steps either
Gerry carried S*** in a similar manner down a steeper set of steps from the aircraft
For a man in a panic they are unlikely to have presented too much of a problem. 


From the bottom of the steps, where did he go?

[sadie]

 From the bottom of the steps, where did he go?

A
1)  Heri suggests he went west along the front before coming to a quiet spot.  There to put Madeleine in a boat?  I haven't explored there.  A fair walk.
B
2)  A lot of peeps think he went down to the tiny beach, which is very close, again to a boat ... or maybe to a tunnel there.  It is in in a rocky inlet.

C
There is a tricky narrow pathway down, hidden away at the back of the Bull public house.   To get there he would have had to negotiate this tricky set of rocky steps and sloping paths.  I wouldn't have liked to do that. in just the moonlight and carrying a child

D
Alternatively there appears to be a tunnel coming out onto the rocks at the back of this beach.  Could that be a smugglers tunnel linked to such a place as the Bull, a fishermans cottage or the Fortezela restaurant? (Old Fort)?   Maybe that might provide an easier way down?  Has anyone here explored that tunnel? .... Heri maybe?



There is another problem.

About 5 years ago I thoroughly researched weather, tides etc.    IIRC it had just been high tide and the tide had recently turned.     ETA.  I am wondering if I remembered that incorrectly 

Further editing:  It had been low tide at 10pm, not high tide ... my apologies


However, from GEarth images, at high tide there was no beach.
 
E
Would it be difficult to lauch a boat in such circumstances?  Also the weather was worsening along with sea conditions.  Any sea boating experts here?



It is possible that a small boat might have rendezvoused with a larger powered boat out at sea ... and transferred Madeleine at sea before setting sail .... but these are only my thoughts



F
A boat was recorded as having moved out of Lagos marina"gates just before they were locked for the night,  This boat moored up in the long entrance to the marina, and was free to set sail at a moments notice. 



I believe that there was some telephone linkage between this boat and either Malinka or Fazackerley. 

Maybe someone can remember if I have remembered that correctly?  Both men were of interest to the PJ, but may not have been involved in any way.


John, at the moment I am very pushed for time, but if I am able, will try and sort some images out and I would be grateful if you would post for me.  Have put indicating letters in to mark the spots where I would like them posted.

THat is if I am able to do the search and send the photos

No problem.

[sadie]

See you are here again Luz

BUMPED O.P.

Luz

You live locally to PdL

Who was it that was bragging about defacing all the posters put up in PdLuz about Madeleine being missing?  About three years ago ... or so

Posters put up in an effort to find her, but deliberately defaced.

Someone was even trying to paint out the address of who to contact, so that information could NOT get through to the PI's /Mccann team?



Any idea who that was?

Thank you

[Luz]

Luz

You live locally to PdL

Who was it that was bragging about defacing all the posters put up in PdLuz about Madeleine being missing?  About three years ago ... or so

Posters put up in an effort to find her, but deliberately defaced.

Someone was even trying to paint out the address of who to contact, so that information could NOT get through to the PI's /Mccann team?



Any idea who that was?

Thank you

No. I have no idea who destroyed the posters but I can understand the why.
People got fed up with the lies that were printed in the british press, namely accusing the inhabitants of criminal activities and not helping.
I don't live in PDL but I have family there and go frequently to that place. I remember people complaining about the attitude of the McCann and friends. They would parade to the media for heir photo sessions with no regard to people that had their lives going on - people would be expelled from the streets in order for the photos to be taken. They would invade the church with no regard for the usual services that parishioners were used to have, they were rude except when posing for the photographs. But most of all people resent them for never taking any action in searching for the child, instead they (and the relatives and friends that visited them) would kept their holiday activities, and in the press  the portuguese were portrayed as the "bad" people.

[sadie]

It has taken weeks, but thank you for responding, Luz

Strange isn't it, that someone was using your name bragging about defacing and pulling the posters down.

I thought that I had seen it all those years ago, but wasn't sure.   However several here have confirmed it.



Can you imagine, Luz, that anyone would be so hateful to a greiving family that they would tear down and deface the picture of their missing daughter.

And almost worse, that someone would brag about it?   .....OMG, in your name too.



And do you find it sinister that on some posters the contact address for information to help find Madeleine had been deliberately painted out?  What motive could anyone have to do that Luz?

Do you think there was an agenda there?

[Luz]

P.S.

I failed to explain the WHY those posters may have been destroyed.

You see. After observing the McCann behaviour for months, the majority of the people in PDL suspected the parents had to be involved in the child's disappearence, and that long before they were made arguidos. When the results about the dogs were known, almost everyone was convinced the little girl was dead and the parents had something to do with it or knew who had done it. So, putting up those huge posters, making all those fake events for media consuming was an insult for the population.
I repeat, I don't know who destroyed the posters, but I can easily understand some people wanting them down.

[Luz]

It has taken weeks, but thank you for responding, Luz

Strange isn't it, that someone was using your name bragging about defacing and pulling the posters down.

I thought that I had seen it all those years ago, but wasn't sure.   However several here have confirmed it.



Can you imagine, Luz, that anyone would be so hateful to a greiving family that they would tear down and deface the picture of their missing daughter.

And almost worse, that someone would brag about it?   .....OMG, in your name too.



And do you find it sinister that on some posters the contact address for information to help find Madeleine had been deliberately painted out?  What motive could anyone have to do that Luz?

Do you think there was an agenda there?

It doesn't surprise me that someone would use my name to try to denigrate me. There are a few posters in this forum that I can see very well doing it.

I may have a tendency to call the bulls by their names but I don't destroy property, don't harm people and don't judge and punish even those that I may find culpable of wrong doing.

[sadie]

Well that is good to hear. Luz.

Strange that someone should use your name, and on your usual forum.  With your dogged interest in the case I am surprised you didn't see it at the time, and stop it.  Talk about it went on for weeks ... and you were about all the time



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