Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?

[Redblossom]

i thought you had me on permanent ignore..if so you shouldn't comment on my post..doesn't really matter...your post again does not address the issue and is yet another attempt to divert.

She didnt comment on your post... she laughed at CEs post, follow your own advice and read posts properly?
 

[C.Edwards]

i thought you had me on permanent ignore..if so you shouldn't comment on my post..doesn't really matter...your post again does not address the issue and is yet another attempt to divert.

... Which will be why she replied to me,  not you. Try and keep up. I'm almost amazed you think you're in some way important or interesting enough to reply to. I thank you for single handedly demonstrating to all who may read this thread just what a petty and bitter man you are.   

[Mr Gray]

She didnt comment on your post... she laughed at CEs post, follow your own advice and read posts properly?
 

She commented on a post about me ..yet another who wants to criticise but cannot post a relevant post on the actual topic

[Mr Gray]

... Which will be why she replied to me,  not you. Try and keep up. I'm almost amazed you think you're in some way important or interesting enough to reply to. I thank you for single handedly demonstrating to all who may read this thread just what a petty and bitter man you are.   

That's about eight posts now where three posters have attacked me personally without commenting on the actual issue. ITS SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE WEAKNESS OF YOUR ARGUMENT

[Serendipity]

Remind me...  Which one is the 'laughing at davel'  smiley? I'm pretty sure I need it!

When you find it, please let me know as I'd like to use it myself lol

It is crystal clear that dear davel has comprehension issues as well as a very large bee in his bonnet regarding Goncalo Amaral. 

Davel, I'd like you to demonstrate to me just exactly where in my post I mentioned the word removed?  I clearly explained each time I posted my screenshot that due to Leonor Cipriano receiving a further 7 months for lying about torture that Goncalo was no longer of interest to Amnesty International and therefore there was no requirement to make reference to him in their 2013 report following her trial and conviction in April 2013. Note the word 'referenced'

By the way, your blatant lies about me refusing to answer your questions just makes you look stupid as many here were witnesss to the original deleted thread.  But why let truth get in the way of a good shilling session eh ;)

To save you scrolling back up  I have reposted what I said yesterday so that you can show the forum exactly where I allegedly stated Amnesty had 'removed' information from their website :)

My post from last night:

"I clearly stated last night that I had taken screenshots of each of the available Amnesty International Reports for Portugal  for the years 2009 to 2013 and had collated them into one screenshot as shown below.  I then added my own text in red which clarified the point I was making which clearly explained the purpose of the screenshot.

Yours and others accusations last night that I have altered or falsified official documents are totally unwarranted and incorrect and I expect a full apology  from you. :)

Here are the supportive links which are all referenced in the screenshot that was posted last night. Compare them all and you will clearly see that they are the same :)

2009 Amnesty International Report
http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/portugal/report-2009

Reference to Cipriano case found under 'Torture and other ill-treatment'

2010 Amnesty International Report
http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/portugal/report-2010

Reference to Cipriano case found under 'Torture and other ill-treatment'

2011 Amnesty International Report
http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/portugal/report-2011

Reference to Cipriano case found under 'Torture and other ill-treatment'

2012 Amnesty International Report
http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/portugal/report-2012

Reference to Cipriano case found under 'Torture and other ill-treatment'

But lookee here at the 2013 report, there is no longer any reference to Goncalo Amaral or Leonor Cipriano under the heading 'Torture and other ill-treatment'

http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/portugal/report-2013

So Davel, why do think it is that there is now no mention of either Amaral or Cipriano in the 2013 report given that there has been in all of those years (2009 - 2012) since the original case came to court?

I'll tell you why, it is because in April 2013 Leonor Cipriano had a further 7 months added to her sentence for false testimony for lying about being tortured by the PJ.  Therefore as she lied about it, Goncalo Amaral is no longer of interest regarding the Cipriano case as far as Amnesty International are concerned, hence no mention of the case in the current report.

Like I said last night, it is not rocket science :)

And now I am going out for the evening so I will be logging out and so will bid you adieu and look forward to catching up with you again :)

Oh and here is the screenshot that I posted last night :)"

[C.Edwards]

That's about eight posts now where three posters have attacked me personally without commenting on the actual issue. ITS SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE WEAKNESS OF YOUR ARGUMENT

Oh stop...  Please. You'll have me in tears.   

[carlymichelle]

Oh stop...  Please. You'll have me in tears.   

Oh. Stop it. Lol. I'm on my iPad   In bed and  I'm laughing.  So hard my fingers are shaking lmao

[Mr Gray]

As the thread has been removed i cant quote  but fortunately Edwards has confirmed this





I clearly recall serendipity saying he'd added the red text himself.  You were so busy being outraged that you didn't seem to notice, however.  The point I think he was making was that Amnesty International used to have something on their site about the torture of Cipriano and that a part of it had been removed.  I was tired so didn't take it all in properly at the time.  In a nutshell she was found to have lied. Therefore other than a faintly ridiculous (for a given level of ridiculous, of course) legal system judging that even though Amaral did not lie in his document he kind of didn't know he wasn't lying at the time and therefore his suspended sentence remained, it's pretty much all over bar the shouting, isn't it?

I know that you still like to fling other accusations of wrongdoing at him but as there don't seem to be any non-Amaral-hating blogs/sites to back up these alleged other misdemeanours of his, I'll take them with a pinch of salt thanks.  Feel free to provide me with links to prove your point, however, I'm not saying they don't exist, just that I can't find them.


 So there you are

[C.Edwards]

The thread that just keeps giving.  go on Davel,  keep digging 

[Redblossom]

She commented on a post about me ..yet another who wants to criticise but cannot post a relevant post on the actual topic

Which is not what you said,**** LOL, just posting like you continuously do,calling people liars etc for the minutest, just to demonstrate your double standards....well in a hole stop digging, Im not going to be dragged into your pedantry and hypocricy tonight so enjoy the rest and do try and apologise.....somethng i bet you never do however wrong youre proven, now whay is the adjective for that kind of mentality? as for attacking, pot kettle black, youre always attacking and denigrating people, people here are just showing you you are wrong!!! But you dont have the good grace to apologise.


 

****

i thought you had me on permanent ignore..if so you shouldn't comment on my post

[Mr Gray]

serendipity..you asked me to show where in your post you used the word removed...edwards has confirmed you used the word.....i await your response

[Victoria]

Do people here read the newspaper and find themselves concluding that any stories that were reported the day before must have been wrong because they aren't in today's issue?

[C.Edwards]

serendipity..you asked me to show where in your post you used the word removed...edwards has confirmed you used the word.....i await your response

Ooh. Start of my next card. Claiming a poster has said something they haven't. 

[Victoria]

I mean, earlier in the week I read that England had qualified for the next World Cup, but it wasn't mentioned in today's paper, so I assume that story was incorrect?

[Serendipity]

As the thread has been removed i cant quote  but fortunately Edwards has confirmed this

I clearly recall serendipity saying he'd added the red text himself.  You were so busy being outraged that you didn't seem to notice, however.  The point I think he was making was that Amnesty International used to have something on their site about the torture of Cipriano and that a part of it had been removed.  I was tired so didn't take it all in properly at the time.  In a nutshell she was found to have lied. Therefore other than a faintly ridiculous (for a given level of ridiculous, of course) legal system judging that even though Amaral did not lie in his document he kind of didn't know he wasn't lying at the time and therefore his suspended sentence remained, it's pretty much all over bar the shouting, isn't it?

I know that you still like to fling other accusations of wrongdoing at him but as there don't seem to be any non-Amaral-hating blogs/sites to back up these alleged other misdemeanours of his, I'll take them with a pinch of salt thanks.  Feel free to provide me with links to prove your point, however, I'm not saying they don't exist, just that I can't find them.


 So there you are

Umm did you not see the bit where he says "The point I think he was making .." lol.  G Edwards clearly tied you up in knots on your original thread when he eloqently explained a very good analogy as to why GA's conviction was based on a technicality and then I came along, backed him up and them proceeeded to demonstrate why Amnesty no longer make reference to GA re Cipriano case on their site.

Not one of my posts has contained the word 'removed' :)  Why would I use it when I clearly use the words 'not referenced' in the text I added onto my own screenshot collated using 5 Amnesty reports lol. Maybe admin can confirm if there is a recycle bin for deleted threads?  I'm not sure if such a thing exists.

What is not to understand? Frankly I find you hilarious as I am sure many others do :)